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May 2020
A case against syntax highlighting
Anonymous
Fri 8-May-2020 19:04
Fri 8-May-2020 19:04
I really don't know what to think of that...
About the fact that the coloration scares beginners, I don't think so: about all beginners don't care about colors at all, so I don't think that is the biggest point.
I tried to remove totally the coloration except for comments / strings, but I saw the problem: It is harder to find the structure of your code !
For example, I use python, and when you make a module with few classes, functions etc, it is so hard to find where your class definition is (even is python has a lot of indentation).
For sure, this problem can be deleted with using a "structure" tool (such as in Spyder) that finds the classes, the functions, and the important comments, and make crossers to them so they are clickable... but this is slower that just scroll !
Another think you say is that the coloration is not useful for remiding the keywords names: I'm don't really agree with that: indeed, I'm not a good English-speaker, and I think that even native English-speakers can misspell a "return" to a "retun", and without coloration you dont' realize it !!!! This problem can be solved with a good auto-completion device (like kite or TabNine for python), but if you work on a big file, the auto-completion is slow, and sometimes you just don't want to wait for it !
So my point of view is that the syntax highlighting for keywords should be made of shades of the same color, italic, bold and underlined words, of a light color for operators (changing depending of the operator, and the thickness also), and finally, of another light color for user-defined things (variables, objects etc...).
Thank you really much for this veryyyyy interesting article !!!
About the fact that the coloration scares beginners, I don't think so: about all beginners don't care about colors at all, so I don't think that is the biggest point.
I tried to remove totally the coloration except for comments / strings, but I saw the problem: It is harder to find the structure of your code !
For example, I use python, and when you make a module with few classes, functions etc, it is so hard to find where your class definition is (even is python has a lot of indentation).
For sure, this problem can be deleted with using a "structure" tool (such as in Spyder) that finds the classes, the functions, and the important comments, and make crossers to them so they are clickable... but this is slower that just scroll !
Another think you say is that the coloration is not useful for remiding the keywords names: I'm don't really agree with that: indeed, I'm not a good English-speaker, and I think that even native English-speakers can misspell a "return" to a "retun", and without coloration you dont' realize it !!!! This problem can be solved with a good auto-completion device (like kite or TabNine for python), but if you work on a big file, the auto-completion is slow, and sometimes you just don't want to wait for it !
So my point of view is that the syntax highlighting for keywords should be made of shades of the same color, italic, bold and underlined words, of a light color for operators (changing depending of the operator, and the thickness also), and finally, of another light color for user-defined things (variables, objects etc...).
Thank you really much for this veryyyyy interesting article !!!
Anonymous
Fri 8-May-2020 19:10
Fri 8-May-2020 19:10
Another think I forget to say in the previous comment is that a guy that would learn to read English only with colors like you showed could be as good as us to read English (maybe better, if they are always the same colors, because his comprehension could be helped by the colors), and this guy would probably have difficulties to read without colors !
So I personnally think that, if you never change your colors (not as me), you can be faster because you will be helped by the colors to CLASSIFY keywords, and to see the STRUCTURE of your code.
So I personnally think that, if you never change your colors (not as me), you can be faster because you will be helped by the colors to CLASSIFY keywords, and to see the STRUCTURE of your code.
Anonymous
Tue 12-May-2020 01:20
Tue 12-May-2020 01:20
NIce. I enjoyed reading that.
Anonymous
Thu 21-May-2020 00:19
Thu 21-May-2020 00:19
Linus, what a great song you created! I'll never forget the moment I first heard it, and realized how perfectly it fit with the film. I walked around NYC with it on repeat, thinking to myself "Everything is code... everything is code..." Very grateful for your amazing contribution, and hope to collaborate again. Keep those tunes coming! Hope to cross paths in real life, one day.
Cheers,
Noah (Director, "Watch Room")
Cheers,
Noah (Director, "Watch Room")
Anonymous
Sun 24-May-2020 08:31
Sun 24-May-2020 08:31
Thanks
Hope all is well.
Hope all is well.
A case against syntax highlighting
Anonymous
Wed 27-May-2020 22:24
Wed 27-May-2020 22:24
I don't blame you for hating the colors that you've shown here. They're a hideous rainbow of confusion.
Maybe you wouldn't be arguing against syntax highlighting if you'd just try a simpler color scheme. An advanced editor like Visual Studio will actually help you understand what you're looking at...for instance take this random piece of code:
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Well, with a name like Linus on a guy from Sweden, I wouldn't be surprised if you are a *nix guy who hasn't used Visual Studio much though.
Maybe you wouldn't be arguing against syntax highlighting if you'd just try a simpler color scheme. An advanced editor like Visual Studio will actually help you understand what you're looking at...for instance take this random piece of code:
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Well, with a name like Linus on a guy from Sweden, I wouldn't be surprised if you are a *nix guy who hasn't used Visual Studio much though.
If anything, you're proving his case. You think your color scheme is nicer looking...so what? How does it actually improve your ability to code in a tangible way? That was his whole point. And the ad hominem attack about being a "*nix guy" just makes you look stupid.
Anonymous
Sat 30-May-2020 13:23
Sat 30-May-2020 13:23
Citation from video I link below.
"I recently learned that proper 8-bit sample playback is possible on the C64.
It is done as follows:
-set and then clear the test bit, this clears the phase accumulator.
-Put your 8 bit value into the high byte of the frequency register, this makes the accumulator increase with a rate proportional with the value of your 8 bit value.
-wait a constant time.
-Clear frequency register, this stops the oscillator. Now the value of the accumulator is proportional to the 8 bit value.
-Select the saw tooth waveform, now the upper 12 bits of the 24 bit accumulator is connected to the 12 D/A converter and output as an analog voltage proportional to the 8 bit value.
-Disable waveform, now the D/A converter is disconnected and its 12 bit input is left open. Due to capacitance in the input stage of the D/A converter the 12 bit value persist for at least a second, so the output voltage will hold until the input is changed again.
-repeat with next sample".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6LYrQk5I7s
"I recently learned that proper 8-bit sample playback is possible on the C64.
It is done as follows:
-set and then clear the test bit, this clears the phase accumulator.
-Put your 8 bit value into the high byte of the frequency register, this makes the accumulator increase with a rate proportional with the value of your 8 bit value.
-wait a constant time.
-Clear frequency register, this stops the oscillator. Now the value of the accumulator is proportional to the 8 bit value.
-Select the saw tooth waveform, now the upper 12 bits of the 24 bit accumulator is connected to the 12 D/A converter and output as an analog voltage proportional to the 8 bit value.
-Disable waveform, now the D/A converter is disconnected and its 12 bit input is left open. Due to capacitance in the input stage of the D/A converter the 12 bit value persist for at least a second, so the output voltage will hold until the input is changed again.
-repeat with next sample".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6LYrQk5I7s